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Hello, on the 5th of November quarterly meeting, I asked for assistance on finding locations in Czech Republic and Slovakia as my grandparents immigrated in the early 1900s. I am planning a trip to Czech Republic and Slovakia in September 2023, and I would like to get started on where to find a local genealogist, as well as records associated with my family. Initially, I would like to know if anyone can help with pinpointing these locations.

Thank you! Linda Chambliss

My maternal grandmother Maria Toth, arrived on the SS Cedric 29 January 1921. Her last permanent address was: Cz-Slav (country), Abanjska (city). The name and complete address of the nearest relative in country whence alien came is: Mother Marie Toth, Kralowec, Abanjska, Cz-Slav. This info is taken from the manifest. In her petition for naturalization, she listed her birthplace as Kralovce, Czechoslovakia. She was naturalized in January 1942. 

My paternal grandmother Frieda Kotalik, arrived, named Bedruska Kotalik arrived on the SS Main in October 1912. She arrived with her family and their last permanent address was Bohemia (country) and Pisek (city or town). Her maternal grandmother was left in Bohemia. Alabela Heirova, living in Pisek, Taborski nl Bohemia - from the passenger manifest. She was naturalized in 1961, and indicated that she was from Czechoslovakia

My paternal grandfather Gustav Ipser, arrived on SS Washington in November 1913. He came from Bohemia (country), Lhota (town or city). Relative in that country was his father: Josef Ipser, could be Pislaova or Pis?aova, Lhota, Bohemia. His petition for naturalization indicates that he was born in Arkvice, Czechoslovakia and his last foreign address was Piskana, Czechoslovakia. In another document, his declaration of intention he indicates that he was born in Cirkvice, Bohemia.

 

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Dear Jerry - thank you so much!

 

1) Maria Toth:  What is her birthdate?  3 July 1906

Abanjska is an unusual name for a village in the Czech lands, and the Toth name is a bit unusual as well.  I did a bit of exploring on MyHeritage and did find a couple references to the Toth surname in Slovakia and Hungary.  The village Kralowec and variant spellings are fairly common in Bohemia and also can be found in Slovakia.  So, first, can you tell me where you found the manifest? 

Here is where you can find her passenger manifest: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/7488/images/NYT715_2917-0673?pId=4025016378

2) Bedruska Kotalik:  What is her birthdate?  24 Sept 1898

 

3) Gustav Ipser:  birthdate is 5 February 1888

I do not know anything about Alzbeta.

 

I am very excited and thank you so much for your help. I plan a trip in September 2023 and would really like to get in front of this.

 

Thanks Linda

 

Hi, Linda, It's always a challenge discovering the correct spelling of the village and even individual names.  I've got a couple questions for you and a few additional thoughts.

1) Maria Toth:  What is her birthdate?  Abanjska is an unusual name for a village in the Czech lands, and the Toth name is a bit unusual as well.  I did a bit of exploring on MyHeritage and did find a couple references to the Toth surname in Slovakia and Hungary.  The village Kralowec and variant spellings are fairly common in Bohemia and also can be found in Slovakia.  So, first, can you tell me where you found the manifest?  I'd like to take a look at the handwriting and see if there is an alternate spelling to Abanjska that might be a better clue.

2) Bedruska Kotalik:  What is her birthdate?  

3) Gustav Ipser:  https://www.public-juling.de/passagierlisten/listen.php?ArchivIdent=FSI…  I did find this Bremen passenger list for Gustav and Bohumil Ipser, ages 25 and 30 respectively, both from the village of Lhota Piskova in Bohemia.  Ipser is also an unusual surname.  I did an initial search in the Central Bohemia records for the village and did not find the surname in the birth index.  What is Gustav's birthdate?  His birth may have been missed in the birth index and might be found in the actual pages of the births.  Mapy.cz shows 3 villages named Cirkvice.  The one by Uhlirske Janovice is somewhat close to the village of Piskova Lhota/Lhota Piskova (the two variants could be used interchangeably over time).  That might be an area to explore in the Central Bohemia archives.  https://ebadatelna.soapraha.cz/pages/SearchMatrikaPage?1 

And a couple comments in general:  Alabela is an unusual given name.  I'll suggest it might be Alzbeta a very common name meaning Elizabeth in English.  The Heirova female name was not found in the Pisek proper indexes, but she may have been living in a smaller village whose records are listed in a different parish than Pisek, but still very close to the area.  I did, however, find the surname Hejl (Hejlova for a female)  The letter "j" and "i" were used interchangeably at different times.  Again, it is possible that the record looks like Heir but might be Heil.  Do you know her husband's name or anything else about her?

Those are some initial thoughts.  If you can supply more information, I'll give it another run and see if we can find at least one of those people!  

Welcome to CGSI!!!!!

Jerry